tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post5247786291943486863..comments2024-02-03T20:47:08.995-06:00Comments on This Side of the Pulpit: Church Growth the Old Fashioned WayChristopher D. Hallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03906949438584923588noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-88275803227799853322008-05-13T14:00:00.000-05:002008-05-13T14:00:00.000-05:00Good Point, Pastor Hall.Hand in hand with this is ...Good Point, Pastor Hall.<BR/><BR/>Hand in hand with this is the other principle of Old Fashioned Church Growth:<BR/><BR/>The defense of the church against schism and theological error. These are the two problems through which any numerical gains (either biological or missional) are sifted and lost.<BR/><BR/>As proof of my point, I ask that you try to estimate the size of the American Lutheran Church if she had experienced no divisions and lost no one to other belief systems during her entire history.<BR/><BR/>Theological error and schism are tools of the Devil. He uses them as weapons to shrink the size of the church. Real church growth requires a purposeful, unified defense against these attacks. Since the LCMS has neither, she is shrinking.Mike Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202275259518132834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-49813049307488038002008-05-13T06:27:00.000-05:002008-05-13T06:27:00.000-05:00And then there is Semi-Old Fashioned Church Growth...And then there is Semi-Old Fashioned Church Growth. I think a quarter of your congregation are folks who ended up moving into town and transferring. to Redeemer >=o)<BR/><BR/>Of course, every where I go in the circuit I hear a chorus of "Oh, I was born at Lahoma." It's. . . bizarre.Rev. Eric J Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17747919365522145094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-37161589353715136532008-05-12T19:13:00.000-05:002008-05-12T19:13:00.000-05:00Yes! This is exactly it!Please let the Ablaze peop...Yes! This is exactly it!<BR/><BR/>Please let the Ablaze people know. <BR/><BR/>(PS: I did not just say that.)Dawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14546489539063088564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-15069660956635328512008-05-12T13:32:00.000-05:002008-05-12T13:32:00.000-05:00If there is a magic bullet, it would be children. ...If there is a magic bullet, it would be children. Wait, not magic. Commanded of us by God to multiply and consider our children great blessings. As far the photos I saw, Peter, you've done a nice job with your four :) <BR/><BR/>I can't cite chapter and verse, but studies of demographics in the Roman Empire have led some to conclude that Christians essentially out-birthed the pagans, who were having abortions and letting their unwanted children die of exposure.<BR/><BR/>As far as the economic realities, Dizziness, I know your situation. There's six of us, and even 7 seat minivans don't often seat 7 well. Let us remember, though, what things are truly necessary and what is convenience and fitting in with the world.Christopher D. Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03906949438584923588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-10590360642668606602008-05-12T13:13:00.000-05:002008-05-12T13:13:00.000-05:00Some unfortunate realities mostly due to our mobil...Some unfortunate realities mostly due to our mobile society that prohibit larger families from having the practical necessities. My own family of seven has pretty much outgrown the minivan and will be moving into a suburban or larger. Economics and safety become big concerns with the larger vehicles. This is only one example. We can't get our groceries in walking distance. Even church is five miles away.<BR/><BR/>I would urge your readers to pick up the latest issue of Touchstone magazine and read the article "The Duty Free Family" (May 2008). The spirit of volunteerism (over duty/vocation) is in part responsible for our lack of births these days. In non-Christian households, the same spirit is responsible for abortion. Its a sad and trying time.Christopher Gillespiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06665531626315066953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-10312020602757864822008-05-12T12:55:00.000-05:002008-05-12T12:55:00.000-05:00Pr. Hall,I hope you have time and desire to elabor...Pr. Hall,<BR/>I hope you have time and desire to elaborate on this. I would love to hear further of your perspective. The demographic realities for the American church seem to be indisputable, yet we in the church tend to act as if there is an elusive magical solution that will restore us to a position of popularity. I do not think there is anything that will return us to a setting like the one in the photos you viewed. Common knowledge perhaps, but I think we, in Missouri at least, have yet to internalize it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com