tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post2639336235655303733..comments2024-02-03T20:47:08.995-06:00Comments on This Side of the Pulpit: Book of Concord-itisChristopher D. Hallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03906949438584923588noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-30847453128326954472008-11-19T23:21:00.000-06:002008-11-19T23:21:00.000-06:00Anonymous--I actually did read it carefully. You d...Anonymous--<BR/><BR/>I actually did read it carefully. You didn't read my post carefully, though. What I wrote was "Matthew Harrison released a paper calling for a movement to address our problems within the LCMS via a "Formula of Concord" procedure, and there was much debating about if it would work and if it did, should it be an addendum to the Book of Concord."<BR/><BR/>I think that's pretty fair. He wants a process such as one that developed the Formula. Others debated if it should be added to the Confessions. I regret if my use of the passive voice lent confusion. It's almost never good to use the passive.<BR/><BR/>But thanks for reading and commenting. Please feel free to use your name next time.Christopher D. Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03906949438584923588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-53349781754566271432008-11-19T22:59:00.000-06:002008-11-19T22:59:00.000-06:00Pastor Hall, you did not read Pastor Harrison's pa...Pastor Hall, you did not read Pastor Harrison's paper very carefully. He is not suggesting we add to the Book of Concord. He is saying we should look at the way the Formula of Concord was developed and model ourselves on that methodology of resolving disagreements.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-64944337078570213242008-11-19T06:29:00.000-06:002008-11-19T06:29:00.000-06:00Thanks, Pr. Hall. It's good to hear there are stil...Thanks, Pr. Hall. It's good to hear there are still 6000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal.DRBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18205562123644729041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-47794949230148499802008-11-18T22:21:00.000-06:002008-11-18T22:21:00.000-06:00Fr. Gregory, thanks for stopping by. In our Confes...Fr. Gregory, thanks for stopping by. In our Confessional study this morning I found the perfect example. I'll have to post in the morning.<BR/><BR/>And Pr. Sharp not only has a cool name, but is one of the funniest Lutheran Pastors I know, so funny, in fact, that I doubted I'd ever type "Pr." in front of his name, but that is 1000 stories that don't need to be told.<BR/><BR/>drb--that is the question, isn't it. We subscribe to the doctrine of the Confessions. In the LCMS we give a "quia" subscription: we subscribe to the Confessions because (quia) they agree with Scripture, not "where" or "in so far as" they agree with Scripture. But there are many rhetorical statements, exegetical conclusions and historical examples that, in my understanding, we do not subscribe to.<BR/><BR/>Does this help? Can anyone else help?Christopher D. Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03906949438584923588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-24234883430430988802008-11-18T16:54:00.000-06:002008-11-18T16:54:00.000-06:00I'm not a Lutheran, Pr. Sharp (what a cool name, b...I'm not a Lutheran, Pr. Sharp (what a cool name, by the way), but I'll take a stab at your question. The scope of the Lutheran confessional writings is not science or "natural philosophy," as the garlic/magnet observation would have been labeled at the time. But it is most certainly theological, and things like the ever-virginity of Mary would certainly have been understood as having theological import. (It was understood, as late as Pieper's Dogmatics, to have some theological significance--hence Pieper says that if a man's Christology is "in all other respects Orthodox," he should be left alone if he rejects the sv.)<BR/><BR/>The unworthy priest, and former Lutheran theological professor,<BR/><BR/>Fr. Gregory HoggFr. Gregory Hogghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01829108455227450650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-86557616718982328352008-11-18T14:51:00.000-06:002008-11-18T14:51:00.000-06:00So, you think that garlic takes away the magnetic ...So, you think that garlic takes away the magnetic properties of a magnet, or you aren't a confessional Lutheran?Pastor Sharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01979023326739465973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-28918543465347717792008-11-18T13:50:00.000-06:002008-11-18T13:50:00.000-06:00Thanks for your response. That leaves me as a laym...Thanks for your response. That leaves me as a layman from a Reformed background wondering exactly what you and other LCMS ministers mean by the ordination vow that includes subscription to the confessions. Some Reformed denominations see subscription as adherence to the "system of doctrine" contained in their confessions. Is something like that the case here?DRBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18205562123644729041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-47135415734537830602008-11-17T14:55:00.000-06:002008-11-17T14:55:00.000-06:00Well, that's the rub, isn't it? The case is made t...Well, that's the rub, isn't it? The case is made that subscription refers to doctrinal statements only...but obviously the texts are much more than that, and in fact describe a condition and weltanschauung that doesn't seem present.<BR/><BR/>I do think it's pretty safe to say that *hardly anyone* subscribes to the confessions anymore.Christopher D. Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03906949438584923588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-820798894846245311.post-17447669014002467312008-11-17T14:38:00.000-06:002008-11-17T14:38:00.000-06:00If subscription to the confessions means something...If subscription to the confessions means something other than agreement with the doctrine the confessions, what does it mean? Are you saying that subscription means agreement with all exegetical statements, and thus that no one really subscribes to the confessions anymore?DRBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18205562123644729041noreply@blogger.com